When without pitching is fantastic for anybody that has any sort of even like remote business job or what I'd recommend it almost anybody just because it's just good to figure out how to frame things. everything you're saying falls in line with had a conversation with my buddy Mark Can and we dove dove into that whereas just like nobody gives a shit about uh you know your business goals really it's just like who are you you know like what what makes you tick That's one of the reasons why I think we've talked about this but whenever I talk with somebody and it's not even just business anymore when I meet people often I'll ask a variant of this question.

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