I think design is really, you have an outcome or something in mind. You go about very intentionally shaping or changing things to kind of achieve that outcome. And from time to time, I'm mostly a software guy, but sometimes I dabble in hardware as well. Like art, there's a certain artfulness you can definitely bring into things you're interested in,. Not just in how it looks, but kind of how it actually works. These are more tacit and intangible qualities of something that we clearly care about.

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