Capitalism and democracy should not themselves be golden calves beyond critique. But we are going to do the critique that in a way that is historically informed. So I'm saying that so that the default reaction of why am I listening to these commies is not someone doesn't have to default into that. If we have a system, even if it was the best and we can critique democracy in the same way, church hills, it's the worst of all governance systems save for all the other ones. Then we have to do new thinking.

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