Summary:

In this episode, Michael sits down with author and pastor Chip Ingram to explore what it means to choose joy—especially when life feels heavy. Chip shares how biblical joy is more than an emotion; it’s a deliberate choice rooted in Christ, not our circumstances. Drawing from Philippians, he describes Paul’s example of rejoicing in chains and challenges listeners to shift their perspective from personal comfort to God’s purposes.

Chip also recounts his own battle with discouragement during COVID—how exercise, worship, and helping others lifted him from a dark place and unexpectedly sparked a global pastoral training initiative that reached hundreds of thousands. Together, Michael and Chip address the struggle many face in finding purpose later in life, especially after retirement. They outline practical ways to identify God-given passions and live on mission, no matter the season.

Finally, Chip offers a compelling picture of biblical hope—not wishful thinking, but confident expectation in Christ’s return and Eden restored. This eternal perspective reframes suffering and anchors our joy in what’s ahead rather than what we see now.

Takeaways:

Biblical joy comes from Christ and must be intentionally chosen, not based on circumstances or emotions.
Paul’s example in prison shows that joy grows when we focus on God’s purposes instead of our own comfort.
Discouragement can be fought through practical steps like exercise, worship, and serving others.
Our God-given purpose continues into every season of life, even after retirement.
Honest community and accountability help clarify calling and sustain long-term joy.

Links Mentioned:

I Choose Joy by Chip Ingram

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