There's an invitation you make in the book to move away from an expert's mindset and move towards a beginner's mindset. And as you said earlier on, that the business case for this is clear. So if the metrics are showing that customer experience and employee experience aren't matching up, we know there's a business impact from that. If they are matching up and those indicators are in tandem, then we know conversely there's also a really great outcome that's likely to happen from that. But I actually want you to be a front line in organization, like your front line has the answers to a lot of the things that you're struggling with now.

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