There was a huge overlap between these areas. Some romans were always a bit worried about the greeksor being a bit too effeminate with their arts and their philosophy. So it's quite remarkable that there is this sort of fan fantacized version people. If you read greek novels of the period, they write as if rome didn't exist. And they're as if they were living in a world of the fifth century b c. E. There was indeed a fantastic sense of an ideal greece which people we're trying to live up to.

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