The Power of Interdependence

In America, there's been an increase of available jobs, and there's also been a series of high-profile layoffs, strikes, and calls for unionization. The social safety net for workers is disappearing, so what can people do? Sean Illing speaks with Alissa Quart about her new book, Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream, about why people need to rid themselves of the American Dream's individualistic ideals and embrace dependence in order to succeed.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Alissa Quart (@lisquart), author of nonfiction and poetry, and co-creator of the Economic Hardship Reporting Project

References: 

• Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream by Alissa Quart (Harper Collins, 2023)
• Squeezed: Why Our Families Can’t Afford America by Alissa Quart (Harper Collins, 2019)
• Tailspin: The People and Forces Behind America’s Fifty-Year Fall–And Those Fighting To Reverse It by Steven Brill (Penguin Random House, 2018)

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• Engineer: Patrick Boyd
• Editorial Director, Vox Talk: A.M. Hall

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