“Don’t just believe that things work, actually find out how they work and ask the question, can they work better?”
This has been Max Levchin’s constant pursuit since childhood, leading him to build PayPal, HVF, and Affirm, a perfect example of where engineering meets entrepreneurship.
In this episode, we explore what it takes to begin again after success and how Max Levchin’s relentless pursuit of optimization has defined two decades of fintech innovation.
We also get into:
• how a cryptography thesis became a fintech revolution, PayPal
• the psychology of merging with Elon Musk’s X.com
• why founders are idealists and investors are cynics
• how Max measures success in human lives improved
• and how America’s entrepreneurial DNA became its greatest competitive advantage
This episode was recorded on October 24th, 2025.
00:00 Intro
12:28 The PayPal Story
32:30 Founder CEOs vs. Hired CEOs
43:49 Entrepreneurship
48:47 The Media Industry
55:53 Credit Card Debt in the US
01:06:03 Affirm's Business Model
01:09:01 Challenges and Ethics in Lending
01:24:31 AI and Underwriting Models
01:32:51 Crypto and Stablecoins
01:46:26 Closing Remarks
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