Clifford: When i started with computers, it was very scaring of me. But then i did eight hackathons in a row, and i wont half of them without knowing how to code. I jump on a table, pitch my idea, convince people do work on it with me. It's fascinating to me, because what most people, i think, actually do is they look at the full domain and they say, oh, that looks too scary. What you did, which was different, can easily let you do the other things as well.

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