Rafael: We could have done a bad job explaining that sence, and i'm glad we've been bught up on it. I think what we should have said is that some aspects of what we might consider to be atheistic inleaning is what zeno is more likely to be in line withZeno's approach. And if you feel the need to mame yourself and bleed out your love for god, like literally whethe that's not reasonable. That's not rational. If you have a god that needs to be pleased in way, then that is not the god that i know anything about. So they're not saying it ae catch all. O i

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