R, i was just thinking about that. It seems to me like the extreme positions pro and and con on a v. I'm hoping the there, we're coming out of the trough of the disillusionment. Nathaniel, it's a good sign, i hope. Ah, but it's frustrating. You can't counter at all, except by showing results. The big one is to see your, your test actually function of the winter. For the people in the northeast, a lot of people ask when autonomy’s going to arrive,. It has to get eventually to north northern states and north eastern high density locations.
Transit advocates have made autonomous vehicles something of a boogeyman lately, framing the emerging technology as a way to perpetuate the car's mobility monopoly and starve public transit of funding. In reality, transit is one of the most compelling applications and automation is a huge opportunity to dramatically improve public transit. To help explain this opportunity, Nathaniel Horadam of the Center for Transportation and the Environment joins the show to discuss a light-rail style automated bus rapid transit project he's been working on, and the automated transit opportunity more broadly.