Is There a Difference Between Privacy and Privacy?

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In October of 2018 sidewalk comes out with its sort of data governance proposals where they want to create this new term called urban data. This is when the two areas kind of start bashing their heads privacy and privatization which is people started getting frustrated that sidewalk labs were proposing a policy idea in the first place. Even though none of this happened it did I think probably will serve as an interesting lesson for cities and governments going forward trying to figure out how they want to think about technologies of the future as they get embedded in cities.

Paris Marx is joined by Josh O’Kane to discuss how Sidewalk Labs decided to build a city “from the internet up” in Toronto, the concerns that existed with the project, and why it ultimately fell apart.

Josh O’Kane is an award-winning technology reporter at the Globe and Mail and the author of Sideways: The City Google Couldn't Buy. Follow Josh on Twitter at @joshokane.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.

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An excerpt of Josh’s book was published in the Globe and Mail.
Josh wrote about how Canada’s Liberal government under Justin Trudeau isn’t as friendly with tech companies as it was earlier in its time in power.
Around the time of Sidewalk Toronto, opponents were able to defeat Amazon’s HQ2 project in New York, Google’s Berlin startup hub, Apple’s planned central Stockholm store, and its planned store in Melbourne’s Fed Square.
Bianca Wylie was one of the prominent critics of the project, and was called the “Jane Jacobs of the smart city.”
In 2019, documents leaked showing Sidewalk Labs wanted a lot more power and access to more land than was agreed upon, and that further fueled opposition.
In May 2020, Wylie wrote about the cancelation of the project and the lessons that should be learned.