Barbara f. Walter is one of the world's leading experts in civil wars, political violence and terrorism. Her latest book identifies the conditions that give rise modern civil war. How do we responsibly talk about the likelihood of civil war without also making it more likely to happen? ij just want to start there. We are really headed for a very ugly time in american history. If you believe the other side was hunting you or about to initiate a civil war, if you felt under attack, what would you do? I'm triston harris, and this is your undivided attention, the podcast from the centre for humane technology.

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