That is to fairly rational response. All right. So then you went into a batch of space science and physics. What drew you to that degree specifically? Yeah.

So when I was sort of in my teens, you know, one thing that was nice about the being out in the country was just looking out. There's no light pollution. So you look up the stars. It's incredibly clean. And so you can see, you know, a lot, especially like clean up and then being sort of obsessed with numbers, starting to get a lot into, you know, sort of interested in just physics in general, sort of read, like Stephen Hawking was quite popular in the late 80s, right? Brief history of time. I read that, you know, James Bleak chaos as well, which was an incredibly sort of influential book on me about dynamical systems and just the emergence, this kind of interplay in this sort of how maths sort of underlies it all. And so I just sort of, you know, really sort of starting to think about, you know, sort of quite, you know, almost having an existential crisis when I was about 15. I sort of sort of like, you know, and also just started thinking, you know, why do we, why did anything? Is this little wider? Are we just that all kind of like, you know, sort of asking the big questions that I was like, OK, I think I need to sort of pursue this. My original plan, though, was to sort of do something much more, you know, sort of linear and I was going to do, you know, aerospace engineering. And I had, you know, I was like, this is what I'm going to do. This is going to have a career. It's going to be very, you know, sort of I could see the path forward. And then I don't know quite what happened. But at the last minute, I was like, you know what, through that space science sounds way more interesting. You know, I'm just going to do it because, you know, again, like parents are like, just do what makes you happy. You know, what you think is interesting. So I just sort of flipped last minute changed. When did that didn't care about, you know, the universe, do you know, the subject seems really interesting? You know, I have a lot of kind of questions about just, you know, the universe and what it's like, I understand it more. So it was quite,

you know, relatively sort of simple in that sense. And did successfully take that box or alleviate that hunger and some of those questions?

Not really. So what happened was we did a lot of space science and had a lot in the physics. It was good. But there was a lot of space, there was a lot of like upper atmospheric physics. So I wanted to go more cosmology. And so it wouldn't quite satisfy that each. The other thing was that, you know, the advice that I've been given was, you know, do something that you love, that you find interesting. That was great advice. But I would now caveat it with do something that you find interesting, that's, you know, passionate about that you can also get employed with. You know, I think so, you know, very quickly, I also realized this. But it was 50. Incredibly fulfilling. Well, you know, on that sort of path that, you know, there was, you know, in terms of like job prospects, I was going to have to do a bit more work. But, you know, it was great as well. In the sense, I didn't have to commit to a career at that time was, you know, I think, you know, look back now, you know, when you're that young as well, it's very hard to understand what you want to do for a career. So it gave me some time to think a bit more about what I wanted to do. And so it was very nice in that sense. I could still learn, do something, but then didn't have to necessarily make, you know, these decisions about my career quite so early.

What I found interesting looking at, I mean, even just your LinkedIn was that you spent quite a bit of time learning and at university college. And then you've made the jump to stitch fix, which is an epic startup. How did you make that transition? And what sort of drew you to the world of startups? I guess you were unique for like seven years. Yeah,

I was at uni for eight years. So, yeah, what happened was, yeah, I did my bachelor's degree. And I was like, I'm going to get a job. I'm not going to do honors. You know, that's for suckers. And then I couldn't get a job. I did honors and I was like, I'm not going to do a PhD. That's for suckers. And then I did a PhD and I'm like, I'm not going to go into academia. That's for soccer. So I did that. And then like, you know, I kept doing all these things that I said I wouldn't do. But, you know, I was working. It was going well, you know, I spent a long time learning. And I think that was it. I was sort of, I don't know. It was just like, you know, this first for knowledge and trying to understand, I guess a lot of these kind of primitives in terms of how things work. And so give me a good base. But I think, you know, I started to realize it was in, you know, it's been a university collision London. I moved to the US was working at Stanford doing my own research. It was like 2013, late 2013 when I got there. And so there was a real kind of a lot of tech was really happening. Facebook, there's a lot of stuff really taking off. And so, you know, I was literally in Palo Alto at the time. And I was like, sort of grinding away. Academia was fine. I could, I could have made a career out of it and everything like that. But I was like, you know what, I think there's something that's a bit more interesting here. And it's going to be a lot more fulfilling. You know, I can really, you know, have a career out of it. And so then sort of started to think about how to actually transition out of academia and become employable because it's a very different skill set. And I've got to learn how to, you know, I've never taken, you know, formally never taken any kind of programming. I had to learn how to program in a new language, had to do it very quick. Not only did I have to learn it, I had to learn it at a level that would allow me to be employed in some of the best tech companies in the world. And so just started really working at that while I was sort of there. And a lot of it was to sort of also think about in hindsight, you know, we're growing up, you know, the internet, when I started, you know, at high school, we had this sort of Apple II ecomputers. It was very early computers by the time we'd finished, we had pengems with the internet. I went to university and I just took the internet for granted, even though it was so nascent at the time, you know, 2007 comes out around, iPhone comes out, you know, kind of ignore that. And then again, it's sort of 2013. That's when I was like, you know, hang on a minute. I looked back on these opportunities, which I probably missed. I should have just done anything in those areas that I would have probably been successful. And I was like, I think I just needed to do anything in this area or probably be successful. And so I just really took that sort of jump. You know, life is short, really just kind of, you know, try to embrace that.