i started a solar energy company in about two thousand and eight. After like the third time that we had no millions of dollars a deals, just kind tof go up an smoke house, i can't do this any more. So few years ind to that, i started to think, well, maybe i could do this for a living. It took me another probably two and a half to three years um, to grow the podcast to the size where i felt like i could make the leap. Iud prefer not to go the route you did, which is like lose everything and start from nothing. And it's been 3 years since then, and we're still and so it's its

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