Son: I'm curious, on a practical level, how we start to bring these things together. How have you seen that actually work well in real life? Or have you? Son: It's slow. Especially with, say, the bipok sanga, it's very few people that are part of that sanga joined the larger dominant culture. And so i do believe it's important for everybody to come together, but i don't think that we're necessarily there yet.

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