The Role of the Automotive Industry in the Climate Crisis

I don't think we should be designing an energy transition or envisioning one in which these two industries have as large and sort of strategic roles as they currently do. I'm absolutely in favor of electrifying transportation 100% and EVs are going to play a role there. We need to disentangle like our goal is confronting the climate crisis and politically confronting the and economically confronting the actors that caused it. And that should be our kind of horizon and our framework for what specific policies or practices we advocate for.