In the fifth episode of our Prestigious Pints series, Geoff Watts and Paul Goddard get together (virtually in lockdown) with a pair of agile inspirations Mary & Tom Poppendieck. 

They chat about how the COVID pandemic has forced companies to pivot into new and innovative ideas based on purpose and then responding to feedback.  The conversation also touched on quality and craftsmanship, and how the term "software engineer" isn't really the same as an "engineer" in many other industries.  

As ever, Mary & Tom have a passion for lean and it's great to also hear what Mary thinks is the biggest understanding of Lean - even now.  

We hope you enjoy!!

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