I feel that John doesn't really do full justice to his own argument. When he fails to point out that he doesn't think we should have fought the Second World War either unless I misjudge you. Max, you've done a brilliant debating trick which is slightly mischievous and I'm not going to let you get away with it. If you could have just leave Europe out of this for a moment, it would have been a disaster for Britain and British interests - there was no happy outcome in standing by. It's a red herring and simply reflects the parlour state of Max's argument. My argument was a spread bear. I'd cover me backside with anything

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