I've been on Victoria Darbyshire four times and I love doing that with her. She makes me feel so relaxed and she has a chat as well, it's lovely. People come up to you and go, well, you're on the BBC News this morning. Well, you were like TV News earlier. And kind of you have this feeling. It's a nice feeling when you get recognised. The only thing worse than being recognised is not being recognised. If you're a journalist and people don't know who you are, then that's not very good. You meet really famous people because of your job haven't interviewed them yet. But yeah, you know you get to meet