I think a lot of our thinking needs to change. I don't know why. Because there needs to be a tipping point for all of these changes that you've just talked about. In the 1970s, we were the sick man of Europe. The country was going down the drain in every regard. It's kind of why we joined the common market. We'd lost the confidence that we could do these things for ourselves. You had half a dozen big trade union leaders that ran the country. They're even more out of touch on these issues with the center of gravity of the country than the House of Commons is. So no, you're right. We have to offer positive, alternative

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