Tred: I love that people have these internalized moral rules about, no ther allows me to fuck everyone over and get the most eventfl ill nobu. But sam, the question is, this is the free rider problem, right? We're going to live in that world no matter what i do. Why should i skim off the top? Tred: My view is that selflessness and self and wise selfishness more or less converge. And even if my enlightened self interest or wise selfishness told me exactly, ad youno, imagine i had a perfect computer algorithm which did a cost benefit analysis for all my actions.