AJ: I think what had happened over the first five years and the reason why Sean and Brandon had stepped away was we never stayed focused on our focus. So it was an aha for me in terms of why am I podcasting? I love doing it so much. But does this mean I hang up beyond the rut and start a whole new show? Or is there another purpose here? AJ: Remember the show is about helping men in the 30s and 40s who are Christian, they're married, they've got kids. They seem to have everything going for them, but they feel stuck in life. And that just kept coming back to me.

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