The Pipeline for Creating a Sign at Westboro

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"The world is doomed on a picket sign. And it's a bleak way to live, man," he says. "I'm not saying we can't to be a Pollyanna or whatever ... but like the recognition that it can change and that people are not static." He also explains why asking questions helps you understand where they're coming from. 'You want to understand that somebody isn't just dismissing you out of hand'

In this episode we sit down with Megan Phelps-Roper, the author of Unfollow, a memoir of her time in Westboro Baptist Church, and an exploration what it took to convince her to leave. I interviewed Megan for my upcoming book, How Minds Change, and in this interview you will learn all about assimilation and accommodation, cult deprogrammers, and the steps Megan says one must take if they want to change someone's mind.

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