Cinema 4D

When I was doing 3DS Max and did Maya, I think I felt victim to a lot of the biases, biases, is that a word? That sounds great. Well, that's good that you've used so much and you ended up, your path took you to cinema 4D. Yeah. People do in more of like, I was doing a bit more of like the VFX side of motion design,. where we were doing photo real effects, but like designed, like well designed. So yeah, that's the kind of stuff we were doing.