Is There Really a Santa Claus Shaped Hole in Someone's Life That Needs to Be a Hole?

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"We could be paying some kind of price for secularizing and secularizing rapidly," he says. "Can we make progress that gives us greater capacities and greater understanding?" We've had to go downhill a bit in order to then, you know, climb higher on some other part of the landscape, he adds.

Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, author, and the host of the Making Sense podcast. He rose to prominence as a member of the “Four Horsemen” of New Atheism, which also included Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, and Christopher Hitchens.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Sam Harris discuss the intellectual case for atheism; why both left and right have become more extreme in recent years; and the prospects of a more rational politics in the near future.

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