Is the European Union a Conservative Europe?

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In the european contex, youre sounding like a conservative. So you're arguing for pushing back of some of the excesses of liberalism. Let perhaps less of a kind of ultra individualism, more of a space for a sense of com unity, a sense of virtue. But i think that, you know, the more smopolitan understanding just doesn't worka, you need nations.

Freddie Sayers meets Francis Fukuyama.

Francis Fukuyama is a political scientist and public intellectual, most famous for his 1992 book The End of History and the Last Man which has helped to define how we understand contemporary history. His new book is called Liberalism and its Discontents.

Freddie Sayers spoke to Dr. Fukuyama about the war in Ukraine, current trends in Western democracy, and how liberalism can better understand aspects of the human condition it has historically neglected.

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