i grew up as a kind of naive cosmopolitan who thought, you know, everybydy should just abandon identities in some kind of way and care equally about everybody in the world. And so that pushed me in a direction in which i became an advocate of things like an inclusive understanding of patriotism. But i think the point you make is an important one, which is that that doesn't have to all be in conflict with her at the same time saying, nobody's going to be a pure cosmopolitan. Everybody is going to recognize the special duties and allegiances they have at multiple levels. Thes to vevny. Helpful contrast here between h influence.
Kwame Anthony Appiah is a British-Ghanaian philosopher, the Ethicist columnist for the New York Times Magazine, and one of today's deepest thinkers about the nature of identity. His scholarly writing, journalism, and novels help us to envision a world in which our professed categories enrich rather than impoverish—or, in his terms, a world which reveres “universality plus difference.”
In this week’s conversation, Kwame Anthony Appiah and Yascha Mounk discuss neutrality as a liberal ideal, the limits of identity politics, and the merits of race-abolitionism.
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