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37. ‘Presence Matters’: Nakasone and Easterly on Ukraine, collaboration and midterm elections

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How Do You Judge Your Success and Stay Ahead of Your Opponent?

Paul Nakasoni: With every conflict, there's a lesson. The war with Ukraine, for example, has shown that Russian hackers haven't been particularly good at coming up with spur-of-the-moment cyber operations. Sending hunt teams abroad has worked for American cyber defense because operators return with a wealth of information about what the adversary is up to. It becomes like an early warning system for the US.

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