In your book waking up you talk about the meditative practice and the goal seems to be which I'm trying to come to grips with. The whole point of morality is to recognize yourself as an individual and others as individuals and then go help them. So that if you're going to use the word self to mean your body your brain your mind everything about you that's not the self that's illusory, he says. But what people also can mean by the word self most of the time is a sense of being a subject of experience.

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