In this chapter, they discuss the popularity and appeal of a certain podcast that appeals to non-tech bro type people, particularly women, and mention the success of the podcast's CEO and team. They also talk about changing the format of another podcast they host to have more relaxed and casual conversations instead of structured interviews, emphasizing the value of simply having a conversation. The chapter ends with a discussion about life-changing books and the criteria for a book to be considered life-changing.