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360: If You Ever Caught A Fighter Pilot In A Defensive Mood, You'd Have Him Licked Before You Started Shooting. With Navy Fighter Pilot Tom Kopel
Jocko Podcast
Top Gun: A True Story
"I'm not that close because they were shooting at him, but I went close enough I could see," he says. "That is an Air Force F4. It's not some Navy guy who's lost or something." He adds: "You got to be a wild man in that cockpit if you don't want to get shot down"
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