I wonder if its some of that is because we can't see how the business is being conducted. It just kind of feels unfair, because i can't see what's going on. Not all traders succeed. Many of them fail. Look at the average day trader fails at it because they're not good enough. So even in that sense, i think there's value being created, but it's not as clear as somebody like bill gates or jeff basil soran buffet have done. They've obviously created great value for other people.

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