I aim for real moments that when you hear them, they don't necessarily sound perfect. And in that moment, something happened and it's a special moment. There's something really exciting about that. I feel like that's kind of what the dead do live. They'll play songs in different ways. It's sort of a newer, it's newer for me to listen to the dead growing up. But probably because I heard songs on their albums and thought this doesn't really speak to me.

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