He started from a very, very low base. He did not have any trading experience because his father and he himself worked for the ottoman emperor. It's almost a combination of all these things taking place in about three, four decades that changed everything throughout that period. Say, we've got david so soon to bombay. I mean, let's get to the nitty gritty. How does he make his money? Well, it's interesting because there really was not a one thing or one trade. And so he really started, even to the end of the 18 forties,. starting quite small, with quite small and quite ree iverse, and the very risk averse

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