I went to one seminar and I was like dude that guy's fucking gee I'm gonna do it. Tom Hopkins for that time gave me the confidence that I could persuade and influence people. It doesn't matter then what was being taught even if it was not perfect information And I executed it with total certainty. People now would argue you know when they listen to Andy or I talk like They're really good communicators. This is a big thing you just said so this is ironic But my first seminar ever was Tom Hopkins no old school bluer red alternative choice You know all that stuff he teaches but here's what the big deal was.