"I was like, why? And they're like, looked at me cross side and I was like, how long are you going to organize?" "You derive meaning. Your brain is telling you that this is something that is a problem," he says. "And trying to change it or transform the meaning into something else is, in my opinion, just as bad." 'The experience of having the problem solved is to not think about the problem at all,' she adds.

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