I'm interested in the fact that there seem to be some processes that require some kind of abstraction or some kind of representation that's not necessarily tied to the physical substrate. So is it safe to compare this to my favorite example like if I have a textbook that is written in French but I don't speak French in some sense it doesn't convey any information? And so, yes. Information is quite different in the sense that I'm holding a Yann and now I have that word in my mind but it's existing on the water bottle which is one kind of physical material. But somehow it still has the same property that it means the same thing in all of those different instances. That's

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