I think it's storytelling, right? It's like when you do a board presentation is, you know, you can come in with a book and we have a lot of dense stuff. And if it takes five years to get there, so be it. Well, there's no dynamic price at which anyone can agree... So you have to prepare to present. I think this is where your credibility as a banker and having dealt with these folks before and having the trust helps immensely,.

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