There's something really powerful about that sexual energy, not to be all like spiritual about it, but it seems like that's somehow correlated with ambition. So on porn, you can kind of passively explore because you can see a wide variety of things and people do that. But in terms of exploring your own sexuality, I think there's no replacement for a real human being. Like real people can reject you. The challenge, again, the push and pull, all of that, the dance of human relations.

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