Daniel: You will start feeling it before you see it. It's just a feeling that starts happening. Like qualitative research is just as valuable as quantitative. Sometimes you've got to work harder for it. I'm all about how we're more than our resume, like I literally am building a business. But personal brands are the same. They can't make people think that you're good at social. And so if you get too hung up on the selling of it, you're losing the perspective of why would somebody like talk to Daniel about it versus talk to somebody else who has a podcast on marketing.

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