I think I read that you started in the hot, dry, arid climate of Arizona. How did that affect the way that you approached and understood permaculture? Yeah. In an arid climate, things are so responsive to just a little bit of extra water. So it's really easy to see the effects of permaculture in that kind of landscape because it's like the color green on the color brown,. You know, and you can watch the green part grow, basically.

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