I fully appreciate the concerns that people raise about how we estimate levels of employment among inmates or whether they would have voted if they could have is really a secondary point. We categorically exclude certain subgroups of the population from these surveys like the current population survey and many many others those are related to health, family formation just a wide range of surveys. As a sociologist I'm really interested in how we understand inequality and so you know it's as important to me to understand who's not working sort of thinking about everyone who's unemployed and not working not just those who are still looking for work.

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