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386: ‘Gate Number Two’, With John Moltz

The Talk Show With John Gruber

CHAPTER

USB C Gate and Cable Issues

The chapter discusses the problems people face with USB C cables, particularly when connecting new iPhones to cars. They also address the issue of misaligned USB C ports in phone cases and provide recommendations for purchasing reliable cables.

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Speaker 2
We can call it whatever we want to. All right. Hold on. We're the ones making up the gate names then absolutely.
Speaker 1
So we got the Oh, there is one more gate, John. We've got one more. It's USB C gate, which is people discovering that there's a Mac rumor story that some people are discovering that when they connect their new phones, I think any of them, right? Because they all have USB C. So any of the iPhone 15 models to their car via a cable that car play doesn't work. It just it charges the phone and the phone sees that it's connected, but you don't actually get car play. And the best guess that anybody seems to have about what's going on is welcome to the world of USB C cables. Because basically if you switch it out, if you switch the cable for a different cable and from a different brand, it suddenly starts working for people. And the specific form of cable that seems to be the most problematic is USB C on the plug end and USB C on the goes into your phone end,
Speaker 2
right? Which is a for most cars that I think would probably
Speaker 1
be what you need. Yes, because most cars even I guess newer cars now are coming out with USB C built in. Right. But I think they still have USB. I don't know. At least the last time I rented a car when we took the kid to college last month still had it was like a year old rental. Ahamath, how do you pronounce the word? The hemathe, behemoth, the pack full of suitcases and stuff. It had I don't know, 18 USB plugs, soon about the cabin, USB and USB C, which I guess is the way to go if it's a big enough car. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2
I mean, mine's got two, no, mine has actually just one USB A plug and then the cigarette later. So yeah, I'm currently I just got a car play head unit recently. So and I don't, I mean, it's wireless. So it doesn't have that problem,
Speaker 1
of course. I guess most people's old lightning cables, the traditional lightning cable is USB A to lightning, right? That's the bigger plug on the plug end. And that's the one that gave nobody any problems for years and years. And that's a weird USB C cable because it it has like all of the limits of USB A for charging and data speeds. But it has a USB C plug on the other end because that's what you need to go into your phone. I don't think Apple makes such a cable unless I'm wrong. And they certainly isn't what they ship with the phones. It's USB C on both ends for the phones.
Speaker 2
Yeah. They did. They made a USB C to lightning, but I don't limit it in A to
Speaker 1
C. And so people are buying those from third parties and third party USB cables have always sort of been a you get what you pay for. I mean, I would my advice would be get it from a name brand, even though it costs 15 or 20 bucks, like mono price is super cheap. Monoprice anchor, not the $2 cables you can get on Amazon. Right. But I guess the last of the gates, though, combines the two things, the USB C cables with going back to the fine woven case, I forgot to mention the issues with the cutout on the port on the case. Yeah. And again, this seems like it's all Apple's fault work. And I again, I don't know like was this an issue with the leather cases, but like with the fine woven cases, you put the phone in the case and then you look at the port and you could see that the cutout isn't quite centered around the USB C port because you could see like one of the little tiny screws next to the USB C port through the cutout in the case on the one side, but on the other because it's like two millimeter off. You don't see it. And that means that if your, if your USB C cable has a large enough plastic rim around the actual port that goes in the metal part that actually inserts the penis, I don't
Speaker 2
know. You could say the mail in the mail
Speaker 1
in. It won't fit through the cutout in the fine woven case. There's
Speaker 2
another way of saying it too. And I can't, which is more, more modern and probably what we should be using, but I can't remember where it is right now.
Speaker 1
I tried it with some of my USB C cables. I have like some of my longer ones. I have like a six foot cable from Nomad, I think, which is like a, I forget what I paid for, but it's a really nice braided thick cable, that cable, which is sort of a rugged cable doesn't even come close to fitting through the fine woven cutout. It's obvious that it wouldn't. My other third party cables mostly fit, but some people are having problems where they've got a bunch of USB C cables. And if the Apple ones have particularly thin plastic
Speaker 2
cups. Yeah. Apple's always seem to think that you need to have very small cables. I mean, the ports on my MacBook Air, I feel are often a little too close together as if the assumption is, well, you're only going to be plugging in the USB C cable that probably that we provide you as opposed to anything from anybody else or anything that's using a dongle or some sort of novelty flash drive or some, I've got a few of those that people have given me for like Christmas and stuff like that. When's a Captain Kirk like that will not fit in this thing if I have something else plugged in? Yeah.
Speaker 1
I think finally we can say we've wrapped the gate portion of the episode unless any kind of breaking scandal happens in the next. Probably something happened while we were in recording here on a Saturday morning. The other news I thought that was the most eye opening of the week was a report in the information that no details at all, but that Johnny I've and presumably not Johnny I personally but would be loved from his design firm is in talks with open AI to help them design some sort of AI hardware device. Yeah.

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