Mark Hill is in the insurance business. As I said earlier, there's a commodity aspect to it and prices are set by the dumbest guy around people do the unimaginable. They fly planes into buildings pandemics occur. So we don't know what the unimaginable is but that's what we're concerned about. And if you have talented people above average people over time, that above average capability is going to express itself and above average returns. It's real simple.

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