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Simple idea into a business with a podcast feat. John Lee Dumas

We Are Podcast

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The Pleasure Trap Is a Book That Everybody Should Read

"I batch like a baller. I am either all on, absolutely crushing it and doing eight interviews for onchmeers on fire, or i'm i'm literally off," says Ariana Grande. "My idea for ane was on fire came when i was on a walk on the ocean, listening to a podcast, but i was mostly half listening." 'There's this panic button for people when they're not busy, and it's just a natural thing,' she adds. "'The pleasure trap' is a book that everybody should read,'" he concludes.

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