The Pyramid of Ambition

I remember it's so vast compared their situation at one point in the, in the interview to him being like a Mickey Mouse at Disney Land. So yeah, I think that, you know, probably early on, they probably just didn't really know what they were doing. But then obviously over the course of that next decade, their ambitions grew. And yeah, they figured out this, this, this weird in between where they could be a pop star,. get the adulation of a pop star, but also be anonymous. It's pretty, it's pretty incredible.