The Barrier to Assimilation

I feel like there's almost a segue into something there, but like the different paths to trying to dealing with resistance and stuff like that. One of the things I really wanted to get insight from you about was this since and I've spoken to a lot of people who've left cults and conspiratorial communities. Also spent time with your brother, Zach. He told me about being in an olive garden and someone being very kind to him who was gay and that his reaction to that was like you like you mentioned it was. But if he had been still in the church, he thought he would have. And I'm wondering if you felt that way too.