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Daniel Treisman: I thought Gool's book was pretty dishonest. He used the maxim that correlation does not imply causation, which it doesn't do is it doesn't elucidate the causal mechanism. It doesn't prove causation. And so essentially he jumped from there to the idea that because this statistical regularity, you couldn't point to a brain area that people had illegitimately rarefied it.Treisman: So all right. On the entrepreneurial front, and this is where things got well interesting and more complicated for all of us, at the same time, Daniel, we started talking about the possibility of doing this commercially.