In your new book, wok raceism, one of your arguments is that this, there's this new idea gy that is actually a religion. What we call that is complicated in the same way as with religious questions that have no answer, you call it complex. It's a religion. And what worries me about it being a religion is that the people who believe in this religion are trying to take over our institutions,. which means that religion is trying to takeover the state.

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